Rob Zombie to reimage Halloween

[ohmygodwhatacunt]

Seeing it tonight. I've seen the workprint already and am looking forward to it. Sort of, I suppose.

[iamlegend]

this just in:

if Kefka hates it, that means its good.

personally, i love it. better than damn near every other slasher in history. (read as better than any ft13th, noes, or halloween sequal).

[Fickle81]

iamlegend said:

this just in:

if Kefka hates it, that means its good.

personally, i love it. better than damn near every other slasher in history. (read as better than any ft13th, noes, or halloween sequal).

Wait a minute,we just got a late breaking bulletin:

It appears as though Legend enjoys licking,sucking,bobbing,and slobbering on Zombie's flacid meatpipe,while every once in awhile letting Zombie skullfuck the shit outta him...so therefore,his thoughts on the matter should not be given another second's worth of serious thought...

I would love it if Zombie told you to kill yourself...cause you'd probably do it...

[ohmygodwhatacunt]

7/10 for me... I wonder if that gives me away. Haha, who knows.

[Fickle81]

ohmygodwhatacunt said:

7/10 for me... I wonder if that gives me away. Haha, who knows.

Sure does,Slasher Freak

[Fickle81]

I knew there was a reason why I don't like Joblo very much...other than his at times ridiculously strict film ratings,his bullshit high praise review of Crash,and his very dictorial and prickish "Follow the rules or get banned!" attitude when it comes to the site's messageboard (what if I find flaws and contradictions in your rules,bitch? Then what? I've already stumbled upon multiple sites that exhibit this trend,so what makes you think that I'll believe that you're any different?).

www.joblo.com/weekend-box-office

The bottom line is that Rob Zombie is now GOLD in Hollywood, and considering that he just recently signed a 2-picture deal with the Weinstein brothers, it looks as though we'll be seeing a lot more of this guy behind the camera, which can only be a good thing, since he's very creative and a genius...in my opinion, at least (and not just because he can direct cool movies, but because he's an awesome musician and artist to boot -- oh, and let's not forget that super-hottie wife of his).

Ok,I wanna make sure I understand this correctly...so if somebody just happens to make some good (not great) music,has a good looking wife (NOWHERE NEAR "super-hottie" though...in fact,there are moments where she looks like an old woman with young blond hair...for an example of a super hottie,see Monica Bellucci),and 1 decent movie in between 2 bad ones,that qualifies them as being "very creative" and a "genius"? Has the collective standard gone down THAT much? Why don't you just give him an honerary doctorate in literature and/or fine art for his innovative constant strings of curses? And while you're at it,give that man an Oscar for best score for Halloween for his creative uses of Love Hurts and Tom Sawyer. Christ,people have fucking terrible taste...

And spare me the "Anti Zombie" cockadookie...as I just outlined in the first statement in the paragraph above,I'm not Anti Zombie...I still love listening to pretty much all of Astro Creep 2000 and a good size chunk of Hellbilly Deluxe,not to mention that I like Devils Rejects (although,it too had its share of cringe inducingly bad moments)...but I'm STILL objective enough to see that he's a bad story writter and a mediocre film maker,as 2 out of the 3 movies he's made so far have been pretty fucking bad based on established criteria...I'm not "Anti Zombie",but rather,"Anti Terrible Movies".

[ohmygodwhatacunt]

admin said:

ohmygodwhatacunt said:

7/10 for me... I wonder if that gives me away. Haha, who knows.

Sure does,Slasher Freak

;D

Not Slasher Freak... I feel so insulted.

[Fickle81]

ohmygodwhatacunt said:

;D

Not Slasher Freak... I feel so insulted.

I know,and that was the point ;D

[Fickle81]

After having thought about it,I DO have to take back one flaw from the workprint:

admin said:

-Correct me if I'm wrong,but don't you see Loomis RUNNING down the street to the Myers house? Thats what you see right? So then explain to me how he suddenly has a police car waiting in the front after his confrontation with Myers after saving Laurie? Yea,there were 2 cop cars in the distance in the direction that he was running,but you're telling me that those cars were unoccupied or that the cops would simply let him take a car without supervision?

At the time,I had forgotten all about the 2 cops that Michael killed to get to Laurie,which would explain the cars being unsupervised...however,because you barely even notice those cars down the street due to the amount of footage that shows them plus the editing (I litterally had to watch that part again to catch them,cause I didn't see them the first time),Zombie really should have showed Loomis getting into one of the cars...so it's still technically a flaw,just not as big as one as I had previously made it out to be...in this instance I was wrong for making it out to be the big flaw I made it,so my bad.

Also:

admin said:

-Why would Michael's mom put up with Ronnie's shit? Why would she even marry him? With the way the dialogue was worded,it sounded like Ronnie wasn't getting any workman's comp and that Michael's mom was making all the money,so what was the point of keeping him in the house? Especially when he was not only openly saying he would probably cheat,but was also eyeballing Judith's ass.

Theres actually no concrete evidence to support that Debra and Ronnie were married,so for insinuating it,my bad...but if they weren't,that actually makes this flaw an even bigger one...

I'll try to get,watch,and review the theatrical cut sometime next week...in the meantime:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxI83FQ0gW8
(No,I didn't get that from Crazygrusem...other way around.)

[Fickle81]

Ya know,I hate to break my long standing silence about anything BD oriented (as in of my own accord,rather than a response to responses in the BD thread or a response to namedropping...this is as of August 16th),but I feel I have to in this case because I recently dealt with an identical argument on the I See Dead forums...read up on it starting here and continue on page by page from that point.

One thing I'm getting so fucking sick of that I can't breathe is idiotic fuckballs crying about how the quality of films is entirly subjective based on one's opinions (the individual whom I argued with in the above link even displayed the upmost stupidity to suggest that "plot holes in a story can exist but still not be viewed objectivly as a plot hole simply because somebody else may not see it as one." Yea,either that,or that individual is ignorant as to what a plot hole is or too stupid to notice it)...the mere suggestion of that is insulting both to the medium of film and anybody of any intelligence that enjoys said medium,and the fact that idiots like this exist is the very reason why hack writters and/or film makers get a free pass in the industry to make piss poor movies while more talented writters and/or film makers can't even get a foot in the door...as if the opinion of somebody who has no fucking clue of the storytelling and film making process is just as valid as somebody's opinion who does (would you idiots SERIOUSLY say the same thing about a secretary's opinion of wiring compared to that of an electrician's? Cause it certainly is comparable)...it seriously makes me believe that there needs to be classes on how to even WATCH movies,let alone how to create them,cause it seems to me people can't go beyond being entertained by moving images...and now I read these 3 pieces of utter messes of logical thought right after having dealt with it once already...I originally wasn't gonna bother replying,but N2NOther's replies to them weren't to my satisfaction:

mrbishop77:

Having bad taste is an opinion, which is something that isn't objective but subjective. There is no absolute truth to your personal opinions on anything. Opinion is just that, and opinion and not truth. It may be based on a truth that you think you know, but it isn't truth. So subjectively based on your opinion I have bad "taset" ...and I thought you were one of the smart....wait no I didn't.

See,this is EXACTLY why you were at one time considered for being on my list of the 50 Biggest Idiots on The Internet...the fact that you actually believe this shit you typed out is absolutly astounding considering how you tried your damndest to convince me that Blair Witch 2 was a bad movie (with the same fucking absurd reasons why everybody else thinks it's a bad movie...because the movie wasn't what you wanted it to be and it didn't appear to make sense) and that I had bad taste for liking it (which is fucking ironic coming from you,but we'll get to that in just a minute)...you're so full of shit that you're overflowing...I bet you honestly believe that if somebody who happens to like Chaos joins the board,you'll keep this exact same school of thought in mind,right? Either that or accuse the individual of being David DeFalco,because nobody in their right mind would like such a blatent LHOTL ripoff...yea,the latter is probably what you'd do...don't let the fact that doing so makes you a complete hypocrite stop you.

Since you obviously need it just like your simian peers,allow me to provide you with a much needed distinction to your bullshit notion:

Lesson 1:Opinions

A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof (AKA Facts)

Example #1:George W. Bush possesses genius level intelligence,in my opinion,because he went to Yale and Harvard Business School.

Example #2:Rob Zombie's Halloween is a good movie,in my opinion,because it was entertaining.

Lesson 2:Informed Opinions (also known as Educated Opinions)

Informed - adj.
1. Possessing, displaying, or based on reliable information
2. Knowledgeable; educated

Educated - adj.
1. Having an education, especially one above the average.
2. Showing evidence of schooling, training, or experience.
3. Based on a certain amount of experience or factual knowledge

Apply that to the normal definition of the word opinion and you get this:

A belief or conclusion held with confidence substantiated by positive knowledge or proof (AKA Facts)

Example #1:George W. Bush is a fucking idiot because he makes a fool of himself on a constant basis during public speeches to the point of mass ridicule and has wasted vast amounts of money and resources to finish what daddy Bush started rather than trying to find Osama Bin Laden...all attending those prestigious schools means is that his family had bookoo cash to allow him to go (his Yale degree is in history...way to challenge yourself there,Dubya)

Example #2:Rob Zombie's Halloween is a fucking terrible movie because of horrendously bad writting,acting,directing,and editing (I'm not gonna expound further on that here...read the argument on the ISD forums to see that)

Conclusion:

Informed/Educated Opinions > Opinions...always have and always will.

Now lets apply that to movies...theres a reason why film schools exist...theres a reason why said schools teach proper screenplay writting (not just format,but fundemental storytelling and plot development) and proper film making...because whether you like it or not,there IS a FACTUAL STANDARD OF QUALITY that films must meet in order to be considered good...they are bad if they don't meet it...bad writting is without question the easiest and most common way to create a bad movie...but of course,in that feeble brain of yours,you probably believe bad writting is subjective too,right? Then tell me why terms like "plot hole" and "bad character development" exist and why do film schools teach students to avoid said examples of bad writting?

Since the concepts of good/bad writting and good/bad film making are NOT subjective by FACT,OBJECTIVLY you can conclude that somebody who thinks a bad movie is good has BAD TASTE dispite the fact that taste IS subjective in the sense that different people like/dislike different films and film genres...and OBJECTIVLY,based on my educated knowledge of the standards of good and bad movies,you have one of the worst film tastes I've ever seen on any messageboard...the only movie that you give the proper credit to is Hot Fuzz,but that isn't enough to overlook your absolutly horrendously hideously bad taste in movies. Of course,I can't expect a guy who made a film about psi-fucking to know much about good movies...psi-fucking...man,you REALLY tapped into some uncharted territory of creativity with that idea,didn't you?

happykorn:

There are no good or bad films, since it is all up to ones opinion.

That was fucking retarded...seriously...I'll go ahead and use my example from my argument on this over at ISD:

are you seriously trying to tell me that if somebody shot an entire serious (not comical) movie completely overexposed to light to the point where you can't make anything out with the actors reading their lines from a sheet of paper or having crew members giving out their lines when they forget them all with choppy editing devoid of any match cutting or any sense of coherence,it can't be considered bad from an objective viewpoint simply because somebody might have a bad enough sense of taste to actually like it?

Get back to me when you can logically answer that question...I won't be holding my breath...and if you try to call out the extremeness of my example into question:

It's an extreme example yes,but theres enough individual characteristics of film that allows for many ways for a movie to come out undeniably bad...the "it's subjective art" logic only goes so far when it comes to film...and don't bother feeding me that "everybody has different perceptions of good film making" garbage either cause theres still a standard by which movies are judged on QUALITY...those that don't know about or flat out ignore this standard (based on the mere factor of entertainment more likely) aren't in any real position to have any perception on anything related to film...

And to further fuck your shit up,lets throw a paradox into your logic...since according to you there are no good or bad films,then technically,the films you've given bad ratings for in your signature don't deserve those bad ratings cause theres really no such thing as a bad movie,right? Oh wait I forgot,it all comes down to one's opinion,right? Well,who are you? Based on your own idiotic logic,you're somebody that doesn't have the slightest fucking idea of the criteria of good/bad movies,so your opinion isn't informed and really isn't worth all that much,is it?

Even House of the Dead has fans, though they might be a little slow, doesn't make them wrong.

Yea,because chances are,said fans like it BECAUSE it's a terrible movie and they gain entertainment/amusement from its ineptness...the same reason why The Dead Next Door has fans and the same reason why a lot of Troma movies have fans...nobody with the proper perspective believes that these movies are actually good...those that do have bad taste and thats a fact...the is the only part that N2N covered to my liking.

Seriously,I wish people like this should be made to have their mouths welded shut so they can't speak permenently...no,on second thought,thats too good for them because they still have a means to communicate and profess their dipshitted logic...they should be forced to endure brain trama to the point where they become a vegetab...naw ya know what? Fuck it,send them to the gallows...theres simply no hope for idiots like this to get a clue,even if they talk to Professor Plum...they are a complete waste of bandwidth,oxygen,and protoplasm...

[Fickle81]

Ya know,I've been thinking...I should write a screenplay and send it to Rob Zombie as an idea for his next movie. It will be a "reimagining" of the sci fi horror classic known as Alien...and I'm gonna use Rob Zombie's school of thinking by improving flaws that really don't mean that much in the big scheme while adding tons of new stuff of my own. Heres some of the stuff this reimagined 2 da max version of Alien will include:

-I never really liked the fact that when they get on the planet that there were only eggs and no Aliens,so I'm gonna have the first 20-30 minutes of the movie explain what happened to them...apparently,there was a civil war between 2 factions of the Aliens...1 faction being the defense of the current queen,and the other being a faction to overthrow her and replace her with an upstart queen due to the current queen apparently being sterile and being a "triflin ho"...oh,and did I mention that the Aliens will communicate with each other via hissing and other vocalisations that will be subtitled so the audience will know what they're saying?

-All of the aliens end up killing each other during a massive battle that will basically be like a music video for the song called The Weight by The Band...but before all of them die,the current queen manages to lay 1 egg that lays dormat for about 20 years.

-Oh and in this,The Nostromo won't be just a mere ship,but a massive space staion/colony,which means at least sextuple the body count of the original!

-All the women act like cock hungry whores...except Ripley,who dispite her good looks in this,is a muff diving dyke.

-The narrative can't make up its mind whether the Alien is an monsterous killing machine with insect characteristics,a metaphor for African American street gangs,a metaphor for Native Americans,or a metaphor for white trailer trash.

-Oh yea,and I never liked that fucking cat in the movie...such a cliche plot device even back then,so I'm gonna have the Alien kill it immediatly.

-Theres this character named Ace Champion,who encounters the Alien while listening to You Ain't Seen Nothin Yet by Bachman Turner Overdrive on a radio. The Alien just stands there,listening to him up until he says "I'm Ace Champion,nigger!" Then it angerly lunges at him and fucks him up...hence the possible metaphor for African American street gangs.

-Towards the end of the movie,I'm gonna have the Alien viciously rape Lambert (the chick towards the end in the original that stood there and let herself get killed instead of running for her life) before killing her.

-And at the end,Ripley is gonna try to reason with the Alien,which stops it in its tracks before pusing the emergency release button to send the Alien hurling into deep space...and while the end credits and rolling,you'll see the alien just floating motionless while Sarah McLaughlin's In The Arms of An Angel play to gain the audience's sympathy for the creature.

This thing could be a guaranteed #1 movie for a week,baby! Hell,I've even got an idea for a poster design which is the head of the Alien thats made up of/composed of different images from the movie. And since Paul Anderson is such a big fan of the Alien series,I should bring him on as a co writter cause this would be perfect for him.

Cast:

Sherri Moon Zombie:Ripley
Bill Mosley:Dallas
Sid Haig:Brett
Lew Temple:Kane
Ken Foree:Parker
Malcolm McDowell:Ash
Tyler Mane:Alien
Karen Black:Mother (voice)
Danny Trejo:Umberto "Cold Cut" Martin
Michael Berryman:Wolf Gibson
Courtney Gains:Lou Biggs
William Forsythe:Ace Champion
Leslie Easterbrook:Candy Williams
Dallas Page:"Mad" Mike Dempsey
Duane Whitaker:Forrest Napier
Danielle Harris:Nancy Goldman
Udo Kier:Adolf Krauser
Brad Dourif:Major Lee Jones
Dee Wallace:Pearl Goldman
Jennifer Tilly:Nina McJuggs
Sybil Danning:Bridget Jones
Kane Hodder:Jack Krogers
Ezra Buzzington:Keifer Slippyfist
Walton Goggins:Shane Steel
P.J. Soles:P.J. Soles
Brian Posehn:Neil Superbeasto
Walter Phelan:Dr.Satan

Soundtrack:
(Original Music Composer:Tyler Bates)
1. Main Title
2. Infighting
3. The Weight (Performed by The Band)
4. The Face Hugger
5. Breakaway
6. You Ain't Seen Nothin Yet (Performed by Bachman Turner Overdrive)
7. Acid Test
8. The Landing
9. Hair of the Dog (Performed by Nazareth)
10. The Droid
11. The Recovery
12. Show Me The Way (Performed by Peter Frampton)
14. The Alien Planet
15. The Shaft
16. Tuesdays Gone (Performed by Lynard Skynard)
17: Final Battle
18. In The Arms of An Angel (Performed by Sarah McLaughlin)

[Fickle81]

So get this...today on my lunch break I had to go down to the AV room on my college campus to burn a DVD copy of my Foley Art final project (and found that the fucking thing hadn't been spliced in Avid like I was lead to believe by my former teacher...fucking worthless bag of shit). When the disc was finally burning,I got into an argument with my teacher that went something like this:

Me:So,did you see the shitty Halloween remake?

Teacher:I actually loved it until the "4th act". You know,when it didn't know when to end? I dunno what you'd call it other than the 4th act.

Me:I haven't seen the theatrical version yet,but I watched the workprint and it was utterly horrible.

Teacher:The workprint was better than the theatrical version.

Me:Are you serious?

Teacher:Yes. I liked the fact that it was so different and that it was so well put together.

Me:...Sorry to hear about your bad taste.

Teacher:Thanks for your concern asshole. So why do I have bad taste?

Me:Because you thought that a shitty movie was "well put together". I thought you knew better than that.

Teacher:And how was it not?

Me:It was terribly written,acted,directed,and edited. Where would you like me to begin?

Teacher:How was it terribly written when all it was trying to be was Halloween done by way of Devil's Rejects?

Me:You just touched upon the first problem right there. Devil's Rejects didn't take itself very seriously at all whereas Halloween WANTED to be taken seriously. So not only was the stark contrast between the 2 movies bad writting,but it shows how limited Zombie is with his one track white trash mind.

Teacher:How in the hell do you believe Devil's Rejects didn't take itself seriously with all the shocking sequences in it?

Me:You're kidding me,right? Need I remind you of 2 little concepts of storytelling called "tone" and "intension"? Just because a movie has sequences that are intially designed to be shocking by intension doesn't mean that they are in tone. The reason why the movie didn't take itself seriously is because the tone was comedic due to said "shock sequences" being done in such an over the top fashion. And thats just the "shock sequences". I haven't even covered the dialogue and certain scenes that pratically had no purpose other than to make the audience laugh. It was a horror comedy by design. Halloween was designed to be a straight up horror story about the life of a serial killer,but Rob in his infinite wisdom,thought it would be a good idea to fuck with the tone of the story,which fucked up the focus of the narrative.

Teacher:Well thats just your opinion.

Me:No actually,thats a fact.

Teacher:No actually,it isn't.

Me:Yea actually,it is.

Teacher:So then you know Rob Zombie's intensions better than he does?

Me:Do you?

Teacher:Well then maybe YOU should teach film classes if you know everything.

Me:I didn't say I knew everything,but I seem to know enough that I can teach the classes YOU do,and based on this discussion we're having now,probably better.

Teacher:Oh I'd PAY to see that.

Me:You don't have anything to worry about. I don't want to teach about film making. I want to DO film making.

Teacher:So what else was wrong with the writting there,genius?

Me:How bout the way Myers escapes Smith's Grove?

Teacher:And what was wrong with that? I thought that was brutal and great.

Me:So because it's brutal,it's automatically great? What about the fact that they left the door wide open when they came in? Why would they even GO into his room in the first place,LET ALONE not even attempt to restrain him? He's a near 7 foot tall muscular murderer and they didn't think he could have been the LEAST bit dangerous? What about the fact that those 2 orderlies seemed to be the only security at the complex? Don't most facilities like that have guards at the front gate? Don't you find it just the least bit suspicious how easily he was able to just walk out of there?

Teacher:Well,they had clubs so they probably felt safe. And the heads of Smith's Grove even told Loomis that he should have told them if the security wasn't sufficient.

Me:Yea,and a lot of good those clubs did...and even THAT scene was handled in such a haphazard way. First they tell him that he should have told people if security wasn't up to par,in which he responds by saying that he did,which in turn they respond by saying that there was pratically nothing to worry about because Myers was "pratically comotose". And yet,he sat around and made all those paper mache masks? That doesn't sound like somebody who's comotose to me.

Teacher:They said PRATICALLY comotose.

Me:That qualifier doesn't mean shit,and the fact that you think it does just proves that Zombie duped you. Just because somebody sits absolutly motionless and silent during a psychiatric session doesn't mean that they're comotose. Zombie obviously doesn't know what comotose means. The scenes added in the TV version of Halloween of Loomis appealing to the board of doctors and him talking to Myers in his room show that Myers LITTERALLY WAS in a vegetative state. He never moved or spoke AT ALL,not just during psychiatric sessions.

Teacher:...Ok,I guess you've got a point there.

Me:And while I'm on the subject,exactly how far was Smith's Grove from Haddonfield? How far was Smith's Grove from the truck wash station where he got his jump suit? How far was the truck wash station from Haddonfield? How far was the Myers house from the houses that Annie and Laurie were baby sitting?

Teacher:Why does any of that matter?

Me:Because Zombie didn't properly establish geography in the movie and he made Myers walk everywhere because he had a problem with Myers being able to drive a car in the original eventhough Myers in the original was The Boogey Man and could pratically do anything,so it was completely believable that he could drive a car and Zombie obviously didn't get that...

Teacher:Again,why does that matter? There are plenty of movies that don't provide a map of locations to viewers wrapped up in a nice package.

Me:If you would have let me finish,I'm getting to that,but now that I've brought something else up,I might as well finish that thought. Now without the car,Myers loses most of his stealth in the original,and yet he's NEVER noticed? He even kills somebody in the graveyard IN BROAD DAYLIGHT,and nobody notices him?

Teacher:It's Halloween for fucks sakes,of course nobody would notice somebody in a Halloween costume cause thats what people do on Halloween. You're just nitpicking.

Me:First of all,most people dress up in costume on Halloween NIGHT,NOT during the day. Second of all,I'd hardly call a jumpsuit and a mask a Halloween costume. What is he supposed to be? Now let me finish my intial point. While Annie is on the phone,he watches her through the window,then he goes into the house and into the living room before sneaking out as Annie enters the room. Then for some stupid ass reason,he BACKTRACKS all the way back to his house where Lynda and her boyfriend are JUST HAPPENING to be going into. Why they decided to convienently pick THAT house and Myers apparent 6th sense that somebody may be entering aside...

Teacher:Why wouldn't he be able to sense that somebody was coming? He's The Boogie Man.

Me:Oh my fucking god...NOT IN THIS he isn't. Zombie humanised him so he lost pretty much all his mystique that allowed him to be considered The Boogie Man. It's like the narrative couldn't make up its mind WHAT Myers was. Now then,as I was saying,because the audience has no idea how far the Myers house is from the area he was just in,and taken into account that he has to walk everywhere,it's as if he pratically teleported back to his house. And then theres the fact that he carries Laurie down the street towards the end,and yet once again,nobody notices? Not even out of their window?

Teacher:Wow,I never thought of that.

Me:Of course you didn't...ok the disc is done,I gotta get back to work.

Teacher:Ok well,see ya at graduation...or at least I hope to see you at graduation.

Me:Ok...

As you can imagine,I wanted to get the hell out of there quickly because I could feel myself getting stupider as the conversation wore on. He's supposed to be a film teacher,and yet I have to spoon feed him several of the things wrong with this movie that he should have been knowledgable enough to catch himself. If it wasn't for the fact that I was able to learn how to properly shoot and edit my own films,I would have considered all those classes taught by him to be a waste of money.

This combined with the fact that he dislikes Aliens for an absolutly incorrect reason (he claims that she unrealistically went from scared in Alien to automatically being a badass in Aliens,when in fact she showed fear at the beginning and early in the middle of Aliens and because her badassness was brought out by her mother instincts towards Newt) explains quite a bit...like how he thinks my Intermidiate narrative film is better than my Intro narrative film,when it isn't. Thankfully that will probably be the last time I ever set foot in that room and see him again.

[ite]

Talk about nerd, how the fuck could you possibly remember a long drawn out conversation like that word for word.

[Fickle81]

ite said:

Talk about nerd, how the fuck could you possibly remember a long drawn out conversation like that word for word.

It's called a good memory,sphincter admiral...maybe if you didn't drown yourself in alcohol on a regular basis,you'd have one too...and I didn't say it was word for word,hence the "went something like this" qualifier part...

[ite]

I thought you drank too..